Snub Training – Werner Carry System*

July 13, 2009

Whether you don’t ever expect to take the snub out of the house or the office or if you carry it in either an ankle or a pocket holster some form of post-encounter weapon securing method is still important. Now there are several very popular methods for securing a snub on your person. Two of the best for those snubs than don’t have a dedicated holster or for those owners who might find returning their snub in their deep concealment carry location awkward include Skyline Technology’s Clipdraw from John Rugh and the Barami Hip-Grip available through Barami Hip-Grip

Related to the Barami Hip-Grip is an idea from my friend, fellow snub trainer and arch competitor Claude Werner. He worked up a great combination idea for mating the snub + a Tyler T grip + a Barami Hip-grip + Hogue Handall Jr. Author Ed Lovette praised it in the September 2008 issue of Combat Handguns.  I call it the Werner Carry System* though others refer to it as a Werner Setup.

The directions are simple:

1 - Remove the snub's current set of stocks.

1 - Remove the snub's current set of stocks.

1 – Remove the snub’s current set of stocks.

2 - Insert an appropriate sized Tyler T grip adaptor.

2 - Insert an appropriate sized Tyler T grip adaptor.

2 – Insert an appropriate sized Tyler T grip adaptor.

3 - Note that the brass flanges of the Tyler T Grip adaptor are not bent around the frame. The friction from re-attaching the stocks will be sufficient enough to secure the Tyler T Grip.

3 - Note that the brass flanges of the Tyler T Grip adaptor are not bent around the frame. The friction from re-attaching the stocks will be sufficient enough to secure the Tyler T Grip.

3 – Note that the brass flanges of the Tyler T Grip adaptor are not bent around the frame. The friction from re-attaching the stocks will be sufficient enough to secure the Tyler T Grip.

4 - Fit a set of the appropriate sized Barami Hip-Grips and screw them in place.

4 - Fit a set of the appropriate sized Barami Hip-Grips and screw them in place.

4 – Fit a set of the appropriate sized Barami Hip-Grips and screw them in place.

5 - Slip a set of Hogue Handall Jr., grip sleeve over the Barami Hip-Grip and the Tyler T Grip. Note that the grip sleeve is inverted for optimum fit.

5 - Slip a set of Hogue Handall Jr., grip sleeve over the Barami Hip-Grip and the Tyler T Grip. Note that the grip sleeve is inverted for optimum fit.

5 – Slip a set of Hogue Handall Jr., grip sleeve over the Barami Hip-Grip and the Tyler T Grip. Note that the grip sleeve is inverted for optimum fit.

6 - The finished Werner Carry System is ready to slip into a waist band.

6 - The finished Werner Carry System is ready to slip into a waist band.

6 – The finished Werner Carry System is ready to slip into a waist band.

7 - Concealed and ready to go.

7 - Concealed and ready to go.

7 – Concealed and ready to go.

You may find that the top edge of the Hogue Handall Jr., when slipped over the Barami Hip-grip and the Tyler T Grip will occasionally catch the leading edge of some speedloaders. While it is something to be aware of I would point out that Ed Lovette, author of The Snubby Book and vocal advocate for speedloaders has praised the Werner Carry System and has never noted any trouble working with it and speedloaders. I for my part, and to the complete dismay of Ed, continue to be an advocated for either the QuickStrip or the Speed Strip, either of which will never have any reloading issues with the Werner Carry System.

Either way, I like it so much that I am putting one on a Blue RINGS training gun to demo it class and another on my blue steel Bodyguard for range demos. You can view a slide show presentation on the Werner Carry System here.

*Special “Thank-you” to Claude Werner for the use of his photographs.


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